tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2646097089019633171.post7654174566943533058..comments2024-03-11T10:02:13.554+00:00Comments on Rouge's Foam: Post-genre? A Reply to PostwutchyalikeAdam Harperhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07597956610460782824noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2646097089019633171.post-3862622821115982912012-09-07T10:48:01.797+01:002012-09-07T10:48:01.797+01:00thanks anonymous - firstly as I said, wonky was ne...thanks anonymous - firstly as I said, wonky was never just about putting the beat somewhere else, or swinging it, look Blackdown's original article, and at Zomby and Ikonika etc. But even if a style gets proposed that uses certain elements like swing that are not stylistically or technologically unprecedented, I don't think that invalidates the perception or formation of a style. You wouldn't go back to swing jazz music in the 1930s and say 'hang on, French music has been swung for hundreds of years (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notes_in%C3%A9gales), this is a non-style'.<br /><br />I don't think trap is an equal category to hip hop, if anything it's a subcategory, but I guess I was taking that for granted, not pretending anything. Hope my reservations about the term came across above.<br /><br />I think you make a similar assumption as PWYL1, suspecting me and genrefiers of wanting to genrefy / define everything in terms of genres, but I'd written above 'I never said that genrefication was there to define, explain or condescend to a musician, or that it was exhaustive or necessary in each and every case'. It was just about being able to notice patterns.<br /><br />Re: 'the internet age... most of it is just shit' - that's the sort of generalisation I try to avoid, but agree to disagree.Adam Harperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07597956610460782824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2646097089019633171.post-76146885249813000992012-09-04T04:13:13.256+01:002012-09-04T04:13:13.256+01:00your arguments are deceiving and i think you know ...your arguments are deceiving and i think you know it. mpc swing function and the use of it came decades before wonky. wonky style is hardly what turned electronic music on its side (maybe you personally, but that's hardly an excuse to make this kind of a generalization). there were always obnoxious and silly style names in circulation, and yes, some became genres. but most of them were forgotten, in the exact manner aquacrunk, slimepunk etc. will be. pretending that trap is an equal category to hip hop, is silly; and the terms house, techno and hip hop are mostly used to unite musicians instead of, as you elaborate, divide. if there appears a reason (preferably communal) strong enough for a genre, it just as easily appears now as it did 15 years ago - footwork is a shiny example of this (and don't let dj rashad mislead you into thinking he was making abstract footwork tracks 7 years ago, just check his releases from that period when it was straight-up juke). your need to put everything into a genre, or better yet - genreify everything - is symptomatic of the internet age, where everything has to be documented, admitted, archived and kept forever. well, most of it really doesn't have to be, does it? because most of it is just shit. and you've got quite some listening to do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com