Monday, 1 June 2009

Loving Wonky

41 comments:

Rouge's Foam said...

'Perhaps some (possible) aesthetic suggestions (for some viewer-listeners) for some heuristic aesthetic 'equivalents/ce' heuristics (not to be taken seriously, but sort of - but not sort of)':

Zomby - Kandinsky
Ikonika - Picasso
Darkstar - Paul Klee
Joker - Edward Hopper
Starkey - Boccioni
Burial - JMW Turner

Loki said...

tiny pieces of genius here and what blogs were made for: building elaborate bridges where there's not even a need for a simple one... love it - and more or less agree as well

Anonymous said...

Kanji kinetic
Raffertie
The Squire Of Gothos
are on some wonky electro tip. Similar to starkey, I think Stakey has even signed Raffertie.

grievous angel said...

fuck. amazing piece!

Karis Karis Baker said...

excellent

Blackdown said...

wow, just wow. so refreshing to see someone approach this from a musical angle, and in such detail. respect.

Chris said...

*slow clap*

Nice to see Kandinsky's art used here, because he actually aspired to bring visual art to what he saw as the pure abstract effect of music (so that's cool the thought of certain popular musics warping and mutating around to kind of share a spiritually playful middle-space with Kandinsky and his contemporaries' art).

BTW, have you read Kandinsky's "Concerning the Spiritual in Art"? Just finished it and part of your approach here (of taking a theoretical perspective from that of the artist/musician's craft) makes me think you might find it interesting.

Rouge's Foam said...

massive thanks for the kind comments guys!

yeah Chris, I have read Concerning the Spiritual in Art, it's a fantastic treatise. you're right, it's interesting to note how various avant-gardism develop according similar patterns but differ according to context and goals.

if you liked that, check out Paul Klee's 'Pedagogical Sketchbook'. it's a sort of guide to creating visual forms, but the intriguing part is that it can arguably be used in creating music as well.

Anonymous said...

sick post

12 said...

A-fucking-men mate! How great to see someone approaching wonky records for what they ARE and not what they're NOT.

Joe Muggs

nic said...

amazing post mate.
great to see this level of examination in such a rigourous way.

more!

No Pain In Pop said...

this is greaet

Anonymous said...

wow. you have time on your hand AND have used it well.

braden pemberton said...

fabulous article. thank you for the level headed approach to what is being accomplished by these fresh sounds, rather than dismissing them for weak or lacking in some kind of sophistication

Chris said...

I will be checking that out Rouge's, thanks.

been finding more and connections between sonic and visual craft (tone = colour, rhythm = line etc) so theory that goes into the form and spirit of the craft itself is very insightful for both the temporal (musical) and spacial (visual) arts.

tudikas wayne said...

good work! i wonder if being stoned has anything to do with conjuring the wonk....

Jeff said...

beautiful

Anonymous said...

Jesus I can't beleive I read the whole thing, its 3 AM. Thank you for properly qualifying this music, you're writings will surely be cited on many forums.

Muti said...

well written, thanks for that

t said...

This is a great post - hopefully it'll make waves and we'll start seeing more of this type of analysis from the notoriously musicology-wary blogging community... a Schenkerian study of Donk anyone?

I've written a response of sorts to this here - perhaps you'd like to read?

Anonymous said...

It's quite rude to assume the producer's of the music naively stumbled across such complexities in their music isn't it ? should'nt we be giving credit where credit is due as a result of hard work and dedication.
great post rougesfoam.

sturob said...

great stuff

Anonymous said...

Fantastic post, but I'd just like to say one thing.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_pabYYe08NRg/SiQLJEVaUoI/AAAAAAAAAHM/jrxwV93dFeQ/s1600-h/Zomby+Forest.jpg

This image is most definitely not Zomby, this is the user ordo from the fashion forum superfuture. They aren't converse either, they are visvim.

The only flaw (a very minor one at that)in anotherwise excellent article, but I feel I should point it out.

ride said...

really well writen, loved the text. it's really good somebody write about something that i can't verbalise, only think.
check my beats by the way www.myspace.com/ridept
big up from portugal
ride

Anonymous said...

great essay.
i think the album 'di vizi di forma virtù' from the italian hip hop artist dargen d'amico fits in. you should look for it. some of the wonkyness is in the lyrics tho.

Anonymous said...

Great article. I was particularly impressed by your transcription and analysis of Kaliko. I'd definitely be interested in seeing more stuff like this in the future!

dopefiend said...

I've had similar thoughts of the avant garde nature and abstraction of whatever you want to call this genre, but never thought anyone would be able to make sense, let alone agree with, my hazy pipe dreams. You said it far more eloquently than I ever could. Bravo.

Additionally, Herbert Marcuse's "Civilization and its Discontents" posits that Surrealist art can be used to awaken the psyche and subconscious from slumber, while traditional forms of art are used to subdue and subjugate the masses (he was a bit of a communist). Through abstraction, we can open our minds. However, the jarring effect of surrealism has the effect of disturbing a majority, as they have become accustomed to their sedentary mental existence.

Could it be so that the detractors are merely peons in the game of capitalist exploitation, while "wonky" is the music of the proletariat? Its a little ridiculous, but I hope you can see the humor in it.

MikeM said...

Daps for breaking away from the staid music journalist's format of backtracking through precedent and instead focusing on composition and sound palette.

One point I would quibble with is the aesthetics of outdated technology. I don't see how such sounds should be heald equal to high quality sound design. The creation of a rich and unique sound palette is part of the appeal of electronic music. But you make a valid point about such technology being financially out of reach of many. Keeping an open mind about such "old" sounds will allow a broader range of musical talent to shine.

Big up!

David Novakovic said...

Huge mate... brilliant read. While I feel that we are perpetuating the myth of wonky... It's still a good read! :)

Jeff said...

Zomby - Kandinsky - Gehry?

Just thought I'd add that ;)

Anonymous said...

quote "It's quite rude to assume the producer's of the music naively stumbled across such complexities in their music isn't it ?"

It is not rude at all when it's all true. They stumbled yes, moving the cuts around the beats until it sounds great. No more mystery than that. No need for over analyzing. These producers are not musicians who would write this stuff right on the paper.
It's a sake of trial and error.

Rouge's Foam said...

Well all musical or artistic composition, whether it involves paper or not, involves a load of trial and error. To their credit, the best 'wonky' producers seem to have recognised the point at which they achieved a rhythm that's so delicately balanced between quantisation and a potentially messy unquantisation, something which less imaginative, more 'naive' musicians may not have done.

And obviously the notion of 'sounds great' varies from listener to listener, so these producers had to be bold. 'on the paper' reveals a certain sort of problematic, Romantic authenticity/technical ability bias, too.

If the 'complexities' Anon #1 referred to are not simply making wonky beats but the avant-gardism as a whole, then this music is almost certainly not naive trial and error. I hoped to show this in my analysis of Kaliko, which is highly imaginative and goes through intricately conceived processes in order to 'work' and 'sound great'. That would have been a helluva lot of accident, naivety and trial and error.

If you believe that I have over-analysed these producers, or that I've projected far too much artistic agency onto their music, then I put it to you that it could be that you're 'under-listening'...

Lebowski's Rug said...

epic post

drrn. said...

I'm not quite sure what you said, but I sure do like it.

Anonymous said...

Wow. Radiant!

kimoni said...

Wow, I started reading without knowing how long this post was, but I finished it.
A fascinating (and mindbogglingly detailed) dissection of a subgenre in its nascence.
Having only really heard the wonky term used loosely a few times I'm pretty amazed you've provided not only a definitive analysis, but also convincing conclusions.

I'm certainly going to listen to Zomby in a whole new light now.
Thanks for the stimulation.

Mona said...

Superb writing and totally agree re Klee's 'Sketchbook'!
Regards/

Anonymous said...

WOW! respect for your writing!!! i definitely feel your thoughts, but never knew how to express them. it actually took me 2 cups of tea to read through :) EXCELLENT!!!

morroe said...

amazing read. just amazing.

Anonymous said...

Way to completely over think something which essentially good because it's bonkers and doesn't require deep contemplation.. congrats on your use of a dictionary/thesaurus though.

I could have listened to lots of music instead of reading the 600000000000th analysis of music on any blog at any time

Anonymous said...

well done!
i really enjoyed and totally agreed with all of this.
and the suns coming up!
fuck!
_strunkdts_

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